هل العدد العبري في 1 صم 1 الذي يقول اصعدته معها بثلاثة ثيران محرف

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هل العدد العبري في 1 صم 1 الذي يقول اصعدته معها بثلاثة ثيران محرف؟ 1 صم 1: 24

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7/9/2018

الشبهة

صموئيل الأول الاصحاح 1 قمران والسريانية واليونانية "ومعها عجل" وفي النص العبري تقليدي ومعها "ثلاث ثيران "ايهم كلام الله؟

الرد

الحقيقة لا يوجد تحريف ولا غيره. والنص العبري صحيح ولا يوجد فيه خطأ اما عن الاستشهاد بمخطوطات قمران في هذا العدد غير صحيح بالمرة لان أصلا الجملة في مخطوطة قمران متأكلة فهي لا نعرف ان كان واحد ام ثلاثة أصلا. والامر باختصار هو فقط توضيح من السبعينية ان عجل واحد الذي قدم من ثلاثة فقالت عجل ثلاثي ولكن النص الصحيح هو العبري الذي يقول ثلاث عجول

وللتأكيد ندرس الترجمات الإنجليزية باختصار والأدلة الخارجية والداخلية

أولا التي كتبت ثلاث ثيران

(SVD) ثم حين فطمته أصعدته معها بثلاثة ثيران وإيفة دقيق وزق خمر, وأتت به إلى الرب في شيلوه والصبي صغير.

(ACV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of LORD in Shiloh, and the child was young.

(AKJ) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(ASV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of Jehovah in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(VW) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls, one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of Jehovah at Shiloh: the child, the boy.

(Bishops) And when she had weaned hym, she toke hym with her, with three bullockes, and an Epha of floure, and a bottle of wine, and brought hym vnto the house of the Lorde in Silo, and the child was young.

(CJB) After weaning him, she took him up with her, along with three young bulls, a bushel of flour and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of ADONAI in Shiloh, even though he was just a child.

(CLV) and she causes him to go up with her when she has weaned him, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she brings him into the house of Yahweh at Shiloh, and the youth [is but] a youth.

(Darby) And she took him up with her when she had weaned him, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a flask of wine, and brought him to the house of Jehovah to Shiloh; and the boy was young.

(DRB) And after she had weaned him, she carried him with her, with three calves, and three bushels of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she brought him to the house of the Lord in Silo. Now the child was as yet very young:

(Geneva) And when she had weined him, she tooke him with her with three bullockes and an Ephah of floure and a bottell of wine, and brought him vnto the house of the Lorde in Shiloh, and the childe was yong.

(GLB) und brachte ihn mit sich hinauf, nachdem sie ihn entwöhnt hatte, mit drei Farren, mit einem Epha Mehl und einem Krug Wein; und brachte ihn in das Haus des HERRN zu Silo. Der Knabe war aber noch jung.

(HNV) When she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls, and one efah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(IAV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of ADONAI in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(ISRAV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of ADONAI in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(JST) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the Lord in Shiloh; and the child was young.

(JOSMTH) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the Lord in Shiloh; and the child was young.

(JPS) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the child was young.

(KJ2000) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(KJV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(KJV-1611) And when shee had weaned him, shee tooke him vp with her, with three bullocks, and one Ephah of floure, and a bottle of wine, and brought him vnto the house of the Lord in Shiloh: and the childe was young.

(KJV21) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks and one ephah of flour and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the child was young.

(KJVA) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(LITV) And when she had weaned him, she brought him up with her, along with three bulls, and one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine. And she brought him to the house of Jehovah at Shiloh. And the child was a young one.

(MKJV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls and one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of Jehovah in Shiloh. And the child was young.

(MSG) Then she took him up to Shiloh, bringing also the makings of a generous sacrificial meal--a prize bull, flour, and wine. The child was so young to be sent off!

(NET.) Once she had weaned him, she took him up with her, along with three bulls, an ephah of flour, and a container of wine. She brought him to the Lord's house at Shiloh, even though he was young.

(NKJV) Now when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bulls,^[g] one ephah of flour, and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh. And the child was young.

(RNKJV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of YHVH in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(RV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of meal, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(TMB) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks and one ephah of flour and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the child was young.

(TRC) And then she took him with her, when she had weaned him, with three bullocks and an Epha of flour and a bottle of wine, and brought him into the house of the LORD in Siloh, how be it the child was yet young.

(Webster) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child was young.

(Wycliffe) And sche brouyte hym with hir, aftir that sche hadde wened hym, with thre caluys, and thre buyschelis of mele, and amfore, `ether a pot, of wyn; and sche brouyte hym to the hows of the Lord in Silo. Forsothe the child was yit ful yonge.

(YLT) and she causeth him to go up with her when she hath weaned him, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she bringeth him into the house of Jehovah at Shiloh, and the youth is but a youth.

التي كتبت عجل ثلاثي

(AMP) When she had ^[1] weaned him, she took him with her, with a three-year-old bull, an ephah of flour, and a skin bottle of wine [to pour over the burnt offering for a sweet odor], and brought Samuel to the Lord's house in Shiloh. The child was growing.

(BBE) Then when she had done so, she took him with her, with a three-year old ox and an ephah of meal and a skin full of wine, and took him to the house of the Lord at Shiloh: now the child was still very young.

(CEV) When it was the time of year to go to Shiloh again, Hannah and Elkanah took Samuel to the LORD's house. They brought along a three-year-old bull, a twenty-pound sack of flour, and a clay jar full of wine. Hannah and Elkanah offered the bull as a sacrifice, then brought the little boy to Eli.

(ESV) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, along with a three-year-old bull,^[3] an ephah^[4] of flour, and a skin of wine, and she brought him to the house of the LORD at Shiloh. And the child was young.

(ERV) When the boy was old enough to eat solid food, Hannah took him to the LORD'S house at Shiloh. She also took a bull that was three years old, 20 pounds of flour, and a bottle of wine.

(GW) As soon as she had weaned Samuel, she took him with her. She also brought a three-year-old bull, half a bushel of flour, and a full wineskin. She brought him to the LORD'S house at Shiloh while the boy was still a child.

(NIRV) When the boy didn't need her to nurse him anymore, she took him with her to Shiloh. She took him there even though he was still very young. She brought him to the Lord's house. She brought along a bull that was three years old. She brought more than half a bushel of flour. She also brought a bottle of wine. The bottle was made out of animal skin.

(NIV) After he was weaned, she took the boy with her, young as he was, along with a three-year-old bull, an ephah of flour and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD at Shiloh.

(NRSV) When she had weaned him, she took him up with her, along with a three-year-old bull, an ephah of flour, and a skin of wine. She brought him to the house of the LORD at Shiloh; and the child was young.

فالتقليدية وكثير من النقدية كتبت ثلاث عجول ولكن بعض النقدية كتبت عجل ثلاثي

النصوص العبري

(IHOT+) ותעלהו^H5927^{him,
she took him up} עמה^H5973^with כאשׁר^H834^And
when גמלתו^H1580^{she
had weaned} בפרים^H6499^bullocks, שׁלשׁה^H7969^{her,
with three} ואיפה^H374^ephah אחת^H259^and
one קמח^H7058^of
flour, ונבל^H5035^{and
a bottle} יין^H3196^of
wine, ותבאהו^H935^and
brought בית^H1004^{him
unto the house} יהוה^H3068^{of
the LORD} שׁלו^H7887^in
Shiloh: והנער^H5288^{and
the child} נער׃^H5288^young.

(HOT) ותעלהו עמה כאשׁר גמלתו בפרים שׁלשׁה ואיפה אחת קמח ונבל יין ותבאהו בית־יהוה שׁלו והנער נער׃

(BHS) וַתַּעֲלֵהוּ עִמָּהּ כַּאֲשֶׁר גְּמָלַתּוּ בְּפָרִים שְׁלֹשָׁה וְאֵיפָה אַחַת קֶמַח וְנֵבֶל יַיִן וַתְּבִאֵהוּ בֵית־יְהוָה שִׁלֹו וְהַנַּעַר נָעַר׃

(WLC) וַתַּעֲלֵ֨הוּ עִמָּ֜הּ כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר גְּמָלַ֗תּוּ בְּפָרִ֤ים שְׁלֹשָׁה֙ וְאֵיפָ֨ה אַחַ֥ת קֶ֙מַח֙ וְנֵ֣בֶל יַ֔יִן וַתְּבִאֵ֥הוּ בֵית־יְהוָ֖ה שִׁלֹ֑ו וְהַנַּ֖עַר נָֽעַר׃

(Aleppo) ותעלהו עמה כאשר גמלתו בפרים שלשה ואיפה אחת קמח ונבל יין ותבאהו בית יהוה שלו והנער נער׃

‎( WTT)וַתַּעֲלֵ֙הוּ עִמָּ֜הּ כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר גְּמָלַ֗תּוּ בְּפָרִ֤ים שְׁלֹשָׁה֙ וְאֵיפָ֙ה אַחַ֥ת קֶ֙מַח֙ וְנֵ֣בֶל יַ֔יִן וַתְּבִאֵ֥הוּ בֵית־יְהוָ֖ה שִׁל֑וֹ וְהַנַּ֖עַר נָֽעַר׃

فالنصوص العبري لا خلاف بينها وكلها متفقة على ثلاث عجول

المخطوطات

أولا لننجراد بالطبع هي متطابقة مع الماسوريتك

وتقول بوضوح בפרים שלשה ثلاث عجول

مخطوطة اليبو (حلب)

اما عن مخطوطات قمران فكما قلت العدد أصلا شبه متاكل والمكان الذي فيه جملة ثلاث عجول او عجل ثلاثي متاكل

قمران 4Q51

24 ותעל אֿותו שילה כאשר֯

7 [--------------------------]בקר משלש ולחם {◦◦◦◦}

الجزء الذي في اول سطر 7 الذي فيه الجزء المقصود من العدد هو متاكل فلا نعرف الكلمة ببار او بباريم أي مفرد او جمع

ولهذا المخطوطات في صالح النص التقليدي ثلاث عجول لان قمران لا تفصل في هذا العدد

اتي الى التراجم القديمة

السريانية من القرن الرابع اتبعت السبعينية وكتبت عجل ثلاثي

(Lamsa) And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with a three-year old bullock and an ephah of flour and a skin of wine, and brought him to the house of the LORD in Shiloh; and the boy was very young.

ولكن الفلجاتا من نفس الوقت كتبت ثلاث عجول

(Vulgate) et adduxit eum secum postquam ablactaverat in vitulis tribus et tribus modiis farinae et amphora vini et adduxit eum ad domum Domini in Silo puer autem erat adhuc infantulus

And after she had weaned him, she carried him with her, with three calves, and three bushels of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she brought him to the house of the Lord in Silo. Now the child was as yet very young:

فأيضا الاستشهاد بالسريانية وترك الفلجاتا هو غير امانة

اما عن مصدر تعبير عجل ثلاثي بدل النص التقليدي ثلاث عجول هو السبعينية الترجمة التفسيرية

(LXX) καὶ ἀνέβη μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ εἰς Σηλωμ ἐν μόσχῳ τριετίζοντι καὶ ἄρτοις καὶ οιφι σεμιδάλεως καὶ νεβελ οἴνου καὶ εἰσῆλθεν εἰς οἶκον κυρίου ἐν Σηλωμ, καὶ τὸ παιδάριον μετ᾿ αὐτῶν.

(ABP-G+) και^G2532 ανεβη^G305 μετ΄^G3326 αυτου^G1473 εις^G1519 Συλω^G* εν^G1722 μοσχω^G3448 τριετιζοντι^G5148.1 και^G2532 οιφι^G3634.1 σεμιδαλεως^G4585 και^G2532 νεβελ^G3496.1 οινου^G3631 και^G2532 εισηλθεν^G1525 εις^G1519 οικον^G3624 κυριου^G2962 εν^G1722 Συλω^G* και^G2532 το^G3588 παιδαριον^G3808 μετ΄^G3326 αυτων^G1473

(ABP+) And^G2532 she ascended^G305 with^G3326 him^G1473 unto^G1519 Shiloh^G* with^G1722 a calf^G3448 being three years old,^G5148.1 and^G2532 an ephah^G3634.1 of fine flour,^G4585 and^G2532 a skin flask^G3496.1 of wine.^G3631 And^G2532 she entered^G1525 into^G1519 the house^G3624 of the lord ^G2962 in^G1722 Shiloh,^G* and^G2532 the^G3588 boy^G3808 with^G3326 them.^G1473

(Brenton) And she went up with him to Selom with a calf of three years old, and loaves, and an ephah of fine flour, and a bottle of wine: and she entered into the house of the Lord in Selom, and the child with them.

وكما شرحت سابقا السبعينية هي ترجمة تفسيرية تكتب للأمم

الإشكالية في السبعينية لانها الكلمتين بباريم شلوشه أي عجول ثلاثة ولكن مترجم السبعينية الذي قرر ان يكتب عجل ثلاثي أي عجل عمره ثلاث سنوات

الأدلة الداخلية

ما هو السبب في ان السبعينية كتبت عجل ثلاثي؟ وهل هناك سبب يجعل نساخ النص العبري يغيروا من عجل الى ثلاث ام هناك سبب يجعل مترجم السبعينية يغير من ثلاث عجول لعجل؟

لا يوجد سبب لنساخ العبري وبخاصة كما رأينا في المخطوطات اما السبعينية فهناك سبب واضح وهو العدد التالي الذي يتكلم عن ثور واحد

1 :25 فذبحوا الثور وجاءوا بالصبي الى عالي

فالسبعينية فقط تفسر عدد 25 الذي قال ذبحوا الثور فلهذا حولته عجل ثلاثي بدل ثلاث عجول

وحسب قاعدة النقد النصي

The reading which could most easily have given rise to the other readings is best.

القراءه التي هي بوضوح السبب في بقية القراءات هي الافضل

فقراءة ثلاث عجول هي السبب التي جعلت مترجم السبعينية يترجمها لعجل ليتفق مع عدد 25

وأيضا حسب قاعدة

The hardest reading is best

القراءه الاصعب هي الافضل

Difficilior lectio potior or Proclivi scriptioni praestat ardua

وقراءة ثلاث عجول هي الأصعب كما وضحت ان هذا لمن يقرأ ظاهريا بدون تركيز يرى إشكالية مع عدد 25 كما قدمت

بل أيضا من التعبيرات اللغوية كلمة

بل أيضا الكلمة العبرية تعني عجل صغير calf

H6499

פָּר פַּר

par pâr

par, pawr

From H6565; a bullock (apparently as breaking forth in wild strength, or perhaps as dividing the hoof): - (+ young) bull (-ock), calf, ox.

Total KJV occurrences: 133

صغير العجل عجل صغير عجل

قاموس كلمات الكتاب

H6499

ַפּר

par, ָפּר

pār: A masculine noun indicating a young bull, a bull. This refers often to young bulls

فالكلمة معناها أقرب صغير فلا يصلح ان يوصف عجل الثلاث سنوات البالغ ببار

إذا بناء على الأدلة الخارجية والداخلية النص الصحيح هو التقليدي الذي يقول ثلاث عجول

وبهذا تأكدنا من صحة النص التقليدي

اتى الى لماذا يقول العدد 24 ثلاث عجول وعدد 25 ذبحوا عجل

1 :24 ثم حين فطمته اصعدته معها بثلاثة ثيران وايفة دقيق وزق خمر واتت به الى الرب في شيلوه والصبي صغير

1 :25 فذبحوا الثور وجاءوا بالصبي الى عالي

وهذا كما شرحه مفسرين كثيرين مثل جيل وهنري وغيرهم ان الامر هو ثلاث ثيران لانواع مختلفة من الذبائح في شيء مهم كهذا وهو ثلاث ذبائح مختلفة محرقة أو ذبيحة خطية واثنين سلامة

ووقت تقديمه المحرقة قدم ذبيحة الخطية اللازمة لتكريس صموئيل المنذور والثورين الاخرين ذبيحة السلامة يشتركوا فيها ويأكلوا بفرح كما شرح سفر العدد 6

وبخاصة انها استمرت ثلاث سنوات لا تصعد وتحضر الذبيحة السنوية التي يقدمها زوجها القانة سنة الحبل وسنتين ترضعه حتى فطامه فهي تصعد بثلاث عجول لثلاث سنين

وأيضا ما يؤكد ذلك انها تقول احضرت ايفة دقيق رغم ان المطلوب للمحرقة هو ثلاث اعشار الايفة فقط للثور الواحد أي هي احضرت ما يكفي الثلاث وأيضا الخمر هي احضرتك زق كامل رغم ان للمحرقة هو نصف الهين فقط وليس زق كامل

سفر العدد 15

15 :8 و اذا عملت ابن بقر محرقة او ذبيحة وفاء لنذر او ذبيحة سلامة للرب

15 :9 تقرب على ابن البقر تقدمة من دقيق ثلاثة اعشار ملتوتة بنصف الهين من الزيت

15 :10 و خمرا تقرب للسكيب نصف الهين وقود رائحة سرور للرب

فكل هذا يوضح انها أتت بثلاث ثيران واحد محرقة تم ذبحة واثنين ذبائح سلامة ليشتركوا فيها ويفرحوا بتقديم صموئيل للرب.

فتأكدنا من اصالة العدد ومن اتفاق عددي 24 و25 في الثلاث ثيران

والمجد لله دائما